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		<title>By: Example of a Cease &#38; Desist Letter &#124; PurpleCar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Example of a Cease &#38; Desist Letter &#124; PurpleCar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PurpleCar</title>
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		<dc:creator>PurpleCar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, that&#039;s interesting. I didn&#039;t know that the &quot;celestial marriage&quot; idea was an icebreaker for the Mormon church&#039;s ubiquitous proselytizing. That puts Twilight in an even more sinister light for me, actually. If this is true, Meyer cannot stand behind the subconscious intent she&#039;s mentioned before. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I didn&#039;t think her intent was unclear before, and with this new information, it&#039;s even more obvious, don&#039;t you think?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for the divorce question, I was just throwing out a ponder. I&#039;m in no way suggesting that if the Mormons have a lower divorce rate, that we should all look to their example. On the contrary, I&#039;m wondering how it must be to live in a culture that deems a divorce not only as the dissolution of a marriage but also as a fall from heaven and salvation itself! I mean, think of the tremendous pressure that must put on people, especially women. Some divorces should happen (and the marriages should have never happened, obviously), so to make a person feel like they&#039;ve condemned themselves to hell just because they wanted to escape from terrestrial abuse is a further lack of compassion that is shocking to me.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;________________________________</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, that&#39;s interesting. I didn&#39;t know that the &#8220;celestial marriage&#8221; idea was an icebreaker for the Mormon church&#39;s ubiquitous proselytizing. That puts Twilight in an even more sinister light for me, actually. If this is true, Meyer cannot stand behind the subconscious intent she&#39;s mentioned before. </p>
<p>I didn&#39;t think her intent was unclear before, and with this new information, it&#39;s even more obvious, don&#39;t you think?</p>
<p>As for the divorce question, I was just throwing out a ponder. I&#39;m in no way suggesting that if the Mormons have a lower divorce rate, that we should all look to their example. On the contrary, I&#39;m wondering how it must be to live in a culture that deems a divorce not only as the dissolution of a marriage but also as a fall from heaven and salvation itself! I mean, think of the tremendous pressure that must put on people, especially women. Some divorces should happen (and the marriages should have never happened, obviously), so to make a person feel like they&#39;ve condemned themselves to hell just because they wanted to escape from terrestrial abuse is a further lack of compassion that is shocking to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Chapman</title>
		<link>http://www.purplecar.net/2009/05/04/book-review-twilight-series-is-a-primer-for-the-mormon-religion-and-is-boring/comment-page-1/#comment-1722</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Celestial marriage is not held by any Christians. There is that little discussion between the Sadducees and Jesus--when they wanted to trip Jesus up--that rules out the possibility of celestial marriage. The question was, if seven brothers each took a woman as a bride after each brother died, whose wife would she be in the resurrection? The answer was that we are not given in marriage in Heaven (after pointing out the hypocrisy of the Sadduccees for even asking the question, since they did not believe in the resurrection). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mormons are entitled to their beliefs. They have the right to believe others are wrong. They don&#039;t have the right to take someone else&#039;s name.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One of the standard ways by Mormon missionaries to open people up to the Book of Mormon is by celestial marriage. It is such a warm, comforting thought. Whether or not Twilight is _meant_ to be a way to open people up to Mormonism, it does center around one of their best proselytization tools.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll leave speculation on whether this works to prevent divorces to those who are interested enough to search for the facts on the Internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celestial marriage is not held by any Christians. There is that little discussion between the Sadducees and Jesus&#8211;when they wanted to trip Jesus up&#8211;that rules out the possibility of celestial marriage. The question was, if seven brothers each took a woman as a bride after each brother died, whose wife would she be in the resurrection? The answer was that we are not given in marriage in Heaven (after pointing out the hypocrisy of the Sadduccees for even asking the question, since they did not believe in the resurrection). </p>
<p>Mormons are entitled to their beliefs. They have the right to believe others are wrong. They don&#39;t have the right to take someone else&#39;s name.</p>
<p>One of the standard ways by Mormon missionaries to open people up to the Book of Mormon is by celestial marriage. It is such a warm, comforting thought. Whether or not Twilight is _meant_ to be a way to open people up to Mormonism, it does center around one of their best proselytization tools.</p>
<p>I&#39;ll leave speculation on whether this works to prevent divorces to those who are interested enough to search for the facts on the Internet.</p>
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		<title>By: PurpleCar</title>
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		<dc:creator>PurpleCar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Good point about the celestial marriage in the Mormon faith and the underlying motivation in Twilight. You&#039;re right. That describes it succinctly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hear ya on the Christian label. I get it. I&#039;m sorry; I suppose I shouldn&#039;t lump Mormons in with Christians for this blog post, especially in light of the fact of the celestial marriage belief. That belief isn&#039;t widely held in mainstream Christian religions as far as I know. The belief in the mainstream is that you choose your spouse but God sanctifies it after your choice is made. This is a distinct difference in the influence of determinism in the Mormon belief system. You are very correct in pointing out that the relationship between Bella and Edward seems predestined throughout all 4 Twilight books. Meyer doesn&#039;t spell it all out, but the belief system is painfully obvious nonetheless.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Side note: I guess the divorce rate in the Mormon church hovers around zero? It would be a crime against god and heaven to divorce if one&#039;s marriage is predetermined... Not that I&#039;m a big fan of divorce, believe me! I think it&#039;s an easy way out and people treat marriage too casually. Anyhoo...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for the clarification! Awesome catch. It just supports my point that Meyer wrote from her Mormon roots more than she cares to admit. (This is, in itself, not such a bad thing, but I just want people to be aware of it).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-Christine Cavalier&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;________________________________</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Good point about the celestial marriage in the Mormon faith and the underlying motivation in Twilight. You&#39;re right. That describes it succinctly.</p>
<p>I hear ya on the Christian label. I get it. I&#39;m sorry; I suppose I shouldn&#39;t lump Mormons in with Christians for this blog post, especially in light of the fact of the celestial marriage belief. That belief isn&#39;t widely held in mainstream Christian religions as far as I know. The belief in the mainstream is that you choose your spouse but God sanctifies it after your choice is made. This is a distinct difference in the influence of determinism in the Mormon belief system. You are very correct in pointing out that the relationship between Bella and Edward seems predestined throughout all 4 Twilight books. Meyer doesn&#39;t spell it all out, but the belief system is painfully obvious nonetheless.</p>
<p>Side note: I guess the divorce rate in the Mormon church hovers around zero? It would be a crime against god and heaven to divorce if one&#39;s marriage is predetermined&#8230; Not that I&#39;m a big fan of divorce, believe me! I think it&#39;s an easy way out and people treat marriage too casually. Anyhoo&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification! Awesome catch. It just supports my point that Meyer wrote from her Mormon roots more than she cares to admit. (This is, in itself, not such a bad thing, but I just want people to be aware of it).</p>
<p>-Christine Cavalier</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Chapman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Celestial marriage is not Christian. I don&#039;t care what flavor of Christian you find.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the other hand, celestial marriage is Mormon. And, it underlies the relationship in Twilight. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not sure what &quot;but Mormons consider themselves Christians&quot; has to do with whether they are Christians. Yes, all Mormons are beloved children of God--as is everyone else in the world--and should be treated as such. But, if I claimed I was the King of France, would that mean I get to move into the Palace of Versailles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celestial marriage is not Christian. I don&#39;t care what flavor of Christian you find.</p>
<p>On the other hand, celestial marriage is Mormon. And, it underlies the relationship in Twilight. </p>
<p>I&#39;m not sure what &#8220;but Mormons consider themselves Christians&#8221; has to do with whether they are Christians. Yes, all Mormons are beloved children of God&#8211;as is everyone else in the world&#8211;and should be treated as such. But, if I claimed I was the King of France, would that mean I get to move into the Palace of Versailles?</p>
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		<title>By: PurpleCar</title>
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		<dc:creator>PurpleCar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;True, but Mormons consider themselves Christians, though. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; -C&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;________________________________</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>True, but Mormons consider themselves Christians, though. </p>
<p> -C</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Chapman</title>
		<link>http://www.purplecar.net/2009/05/04/book-review-twilight-series-is-a-primer-for-the-mormon-religion-and-is-boring/comment-page-1/#comment-1718</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may be right about Mormon beliefs (and probably are right). But, Mormon beliefs are not necessarily Christian beliefs. Just because there may be some points of agreement among Mormons and Christians do not make Mormon belief and practice a subset of Christian belief and practice. The two religions diverge on some very central tenets, including divergence between the Mormons and conservative Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be right about Mormon beliefs (and probably are right). But, Mormon beliefs are not necessarily Christian beliefs. Just because there may be some points of agreement among Mormons and Christians do not make Mormon belief and practice a subset of Christian belief and practice. The two religions diverge on some very central tenets, including divergence between the Mormons and conservative Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: IlbertWardell</title>
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		<dc:creator>IlbertWardell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give students time to fill this out and think about promises in their lives. After most students have finished, invite them to share one promise from each quadrant as they feel comfortable. On a whiteboard draw the same squares and fill them in with key words as the students share their promises. Leave these words on the board for the remainder of the study, both as a reference for conversation and to keep these ideas fresh in the students’ minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give students time to fill this out and think about promises in their lives. After most students have finished, invite them to share one promise from each quadrant as they feel comfortable. On a whiteboard draw the same squares and fill them in with key words as the students share their promises. Leave these words on the board for the remainder of the study, both as a reference for conversation and to keep these ideas fresh in the students’ minds.</p>
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		<title>By: ethan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually found the books to be enthralling. I don&#039;t know how you define &quot;successful&quot; writing. It&#039;s not Tolstoy, but it workks marvelously on a different level. I don&#039;t know why people have a hard time understanding that. Review it for what it is: teen fiction. Look at the response it&#039;s getting.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think the &quot;mormon&quot; angle is WAY overblown. There are elegant echoes, she is Mormon after all, nothing in bad taste or worthy of hiding our daughters. Get a grip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually found the books to be enthralling. I don&#39;t know how you define &#8220;successful&#8221; writing. It&#39;s not Tolstoy, but it workks marvelously on a different level. I don&#39;t know why people have a hard time understanding that. Review it for what it is: teen fiction. Look at the response it&#39;s getting.</p>
<p>I think the &#8220;mormon&#8221; angle is WAY overblown. There are elegant echoes, she is Mormon after all, nothing in bad taste or worthy of hiding our daughters. Get a grip.</p>
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		<title>By: PurpleCar</title>
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		<dc:creator>PurpleCar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 21:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Exactly.  Thanks for commenting!  Come back and link me to your post when you are done.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I forgot to add the child-marriage aspect.  My friend pointed out that the &quot;imprinting&quot; on babies thing is basically a child-marriage arrangement.  We&#039;ve all seen spin-offs of the Mormon church do this very thing, probably due to a fundamental belief in fate and pre-ordained couplings.  With Jacob imprinting on Nessie and his other friend imprinting on the two year old girl, it supports that very fate-controlled life, especially for girls.  Yuck.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I totally agree that Bella and Edward are pathetic.  It was quite annoying.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-PC&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;________________________________</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle,</p>
<p>Exactly.  Thanks for commenting!  Come back and link me to your post when you are done.</p>
<p>I forgot to add the child-marriage aspect.  My friend pointed out that the &#8220;imprinting&#8221; on babies thing is basically a child-marriage arrangement.  We&#39;ve all seen spin-offs of the Mormon church do this very thing, probably due to a fundamental belief in fate and pre-ordained couplings.  With Jacob imprinting on Nessie and his other friend imprinting on the two year old girl, it supports that very fate-controlled life, especially for girls.  Yuck.</p>
<p>I totally agree that Bella and Edward are pathetic.  It was quite annoying.</p>
<p>-PC</p>
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