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		<title>By: PurpleCar</title>
		<link>http://www.purplecar.net/2010/01/dataisordataare/comment-page-1/#comment-1713</link>
		<dc:creator>PurpleCar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ace!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wow, how many times people tried to &quot;correct&quot; your English for all these years? What did you do when that happened? The Grammar Gestapo rules high and mighty on Twitter especially.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Staff&quot; is an interesting example. I&#039;ve seen both uses. Mostly, I&#039;ve seen that if a speaker is referring to a nearby, currently existing group of employees, they use &quot;are&quot; (e.g. The staff are downstairs watching the news about the storm right now), and if the speaker is referring to every employee at once, they use &quot;is&quot; (e.g. The staff is pleasantly surprised in the recent expansion of benefits). Good catch on that one, Ace. It hadn&#039;t blipped on my radar.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;-PurpleCar Christine Cavalier&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.purplecar.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.purplecar.net/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;________________________________</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ace!</p>
<p>Wow, how many times people tried to &#8220;correct&#8221; your English for all these years? What did you do when that happened? The Grammar Gestapo rules high and mighty on Twitter especially.</p>
<p>&#8220;Staff&#8221; is an interesting example. I&#39;ve seen both uses. Mostly, I&#39;ve seen that if a speaker is referring to a nearby, currently existing group of employees, they use &#8220;are&#8221; (e.g. The staff are downstairs watching the news about the storm right now), and if the speaker is referring to every employee at once, they use &#8220;is&#8221; (e.g. The staff is pleasantly surprised in the recent expansion of benefits). Good catch on that one, Ace. It hadn&#39;t blipped on my radar.</p>
<p>-PurpleCar Christine Cavalier<br /><a href="http://www.purplecar.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.purplecar.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: aceblack1965</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Christine.  I think the battle for common sense has already been won.  Those still complaining about the use of Data as a mass noun are simply out of touch.  I&#039;ve been using Data as a mass noun for about 20 years -- I simply never saw any reason for the words &quot;information&quot; and &quot;data&quot; to be treated differently.  Who would say &quot;the information are important?&quot;  By the way, &quot;staff&quot; is another word heading in the same direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Christine.  I think the battle for common sense has already been won.  Those still complaining about the use of Data as a mass noun are simply out of touch.  I&#39;ve been using Data as a mass noun for about 20 years &#8212; I simply never saw any reason for the words &#8220;information&#8221; and &#8220;data&#8221; to be treated differently.  Who would say &#8220;the information are important?&#8221;  By the way, &#8220;staff&#8221; is another word heading in the same direction.</p>
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		<title>By: PurpleCar</title>
		<link>http://www.purplecar.net/2010/01/dataisordataare/comment-page-1/#comment-1699</link>
		<dc:creator>PurpleCar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danke&lt;br&gt;Dekuji&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dziekujemy&lt;br&gt;Dekoju&lt;br&gt;Вы&lt;br&gt;Toda&lt;br&gt;Multumesc&lt;br&gt;Spasibo&lt;br&gt;Grazie&lt;br&gt;Gracias&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you! And you are right, Mr. Pienkovski, the first step is knowledge. And it&#039;s nice to know you. Please come again soon.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; Peace!&lt;br&gt;-Christine Cavalier, PurpleCar&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.purplecar.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.purplecar.net/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;________________________________</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danke<br />Dekuji</p>
<p>Dziekujemy<br />Dekoju<br />Вы<br />Toda<br />Multumesc<br />Spasibo<br />Grazie<br />Gracias</p>
<p>Thank you! And you are right, Mr. Pienkovski, the first step is knowledge. And it&#39;s nice to know you. Please come again soon.</p>
<p> Peace!<br />-Christine Cavalier, PurpleCar<br /><a href="http://www.purplecar.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.purplecar.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: pienkovski</title>
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		<dc:creator>pienkovski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To see that the language is an alive organism is the first step to understand the relationship between humans.&lt;br&gt;Congratulations, Christine Cavalier. Your article is excellent, your English is beautiful.&lt;br&gt;I would like write like you.&lt;br&gt;Pienkovski</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To see that the language is an alive organism is the first step to understand the relationship between humans.<br />Congratulations, Christine Cavalier. Your article is excellent, your English is beautiful.<br />I would like write like you.<br />Pienkovski</p>
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		<title>By: PurpleCar</title>
		<link>http://www.purplecar.net/2010/01/dataisordataare/comment-page-1/#comment-1694</link>
		<dc:creator>PurpleCar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL glad to see my odd humor is only esoteric most of the time.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I love folk ideologies as an area of study. Fascinating. So many great pop books have been published lately in the behavioral economics realm about motivations and how people dream up elaborate justifications for them, when in reality one&#039;s decisions are mostly influenced by the environment and events directly preceding the decisions. (Stumbling on Happiness by Daniel Gilbert is highly entertaining along these lines).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My interests tend to be at the crossroads of cultures. My masters thesis concentrated on the use of African-American dialect (Philadelphia, PA) in classroom settings in public schools. I wanted to see how different teachers looked on the colloquial use in subjects other than English or English Lit. Did they take a prescriptivist or descriptivist approach? How did the students speak? I presented the data in ethnography form as well as more quantitative methods. I&#039;m more of a psycholinguistics person in general, rather than a grammar geek. I had some exposure to C.A. Perfetti at Pitt as an undergrad, and he blew me away. Also, Pitt&#039;s Philosophy department taught me everything I needed to know about theory... I digress.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So now, years after my research has long finished, I find myself isolated from academia and immersed in a popular yet niche culture. My descriptivist and populist ethics send me into a tailspin when confronted by the inane attitudes of some in this crowd, and out come blog posts or Twitter conversations like these. I try to spread some tolerance and understanding, but with language, I find, the folk ideologies never get enough credence by the folks themselves! Perhaps it is our stark Calvinist or Protestant background that drives us toward a schoolmarmesque attitude toward grammar rules. Who knows? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One thing I do know is that the grammar police on Twitter are trés annoying and should be avoided at all costs. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sorry I jumped on your &quot;metaphor&quot; comment. I thought perhaps you were&lt;br&gt;saying I was using the equivalent of anecdotal evidence (*shudder*).&lt;br&gt;You may be right: the explanation may prove bulky. I&#039;m hoping the presentation of one incidence of a mass noun will be enough to convince this tech crowd to disregard their steadfast theories. Usually, if programmers are presented with just one anomaly, they&#039;ll go to work immediately rewriting the code. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I suppose I shouldn&#039;t bother. This post has already attracted some intolerance and mimicry, despite the absence of any claims of my expertise in this area. I&#039;m interested; I&#039;m aware of theory. I&#039;d like to spread some new thoughts of acceptance and tolerance to my current cohort. It should be simple.  Yet I find that my tech community is less tolerant of language changes than any other group I&#039;ve experienced. We could talk for hours about schema or gestalts or egos or stick-your-favorite-personality-theory-in-here and we&#039;d still get nowhere on the road to understanding the pure fear and insecurity that gets roiled up when these people spot &quot;incorrect&quot; English. For the love of PETE!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway, I&#039;m not looking to explain away why we should move to a mass noun usage for &quot;data.&quot; I&#039;m trying to reach a community that needs to understand change in certain ways. I personally don&#039;t care all that much about why it&#039;s changing, just the fact that it is changing. I thought the sea metaphor might give my folks some basic understanding of the concept of mass noun and how &quot;data&quot; fits into it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I probably should go back to posting about Facebook.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-Christine&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;________________________________</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL glad to see my odd humor is only esoteric most of the time.</p>
<p>I love folk ideologies as an area of study. Fascinating. So many great pop books have been published lately in the behavioral economics realm about motivations and how people dream up elaborate justifications for them, when in reality one&#39;s decisions are mostly influenced by the environment and events directly preceding the decisions. (Stumbling on Happiness by Daniel Gilbert is highly entertaining along these lines).</p>
<p>My interests tend to be at the crossroads of cultures. My masters thesis concentrated on the use of African-American dialect (Philadelphia, PA) in classroom settings in public schools. I wanted to see how different teachers looked on the colloquial use in subjects other than English or English Lit. Did they take a prescriptivist or descriptivist approach? How did the students speak? I presented the data in ethnography form as well as more quantitative methods. I&#39;m more of a psycholinguistics person in general, rather than a grammar geek. I had some exposure to C.A. Perfetti at Pitt as an undergrad, and he blew me away. Also, Pitt&#39;s Philosophy department taught me everything I needed to know about theory&#8230; I digress.</p>
<p>So now, years after my research has long finished, I find myself isolated from academia and immersed in a popular yet niche culture. My descriptivist and populist ethics send me into a tailspin when confronted by the inane attitudes of some in this crowd, and out come blog posts or Twitter conversations like these. I try to spread some tolerance and understanding, but with language, I find, the folk ideologies never get enough credence by the folks themselves! Perhaps it is our stark Calvinist or Protestant background that drives us toward a schoolmarmesque attitude toward grammar rules. Who knows? </p>
<p>One thing I do know is that the grammar police on Twitter are trés annoying and should be avoided at all costs. </p>
<p>Sorry I jumped on your &#8220;metaphor&#8221; comment. I thought perhaps you were<br />saying I was using the equivalent of anecdotal evidence (*shudder*).<br />You may be right: the explanation may prove bulky. I&#39;m hoping the presentation of one incidence of a mass noun will be enough to convince this tech crowd to disregard their steadfast theories. Usually, if programmers are presented with just one anomaly, they&#39;ll go to work immediately rewriting the code. </p>
<p>I suppose I shouldn&#39;t bother. This post has already attracted some intolerance and mimicry, despite the absence of any claims of my expertise in this area. I&#39;m interested; I&#39;m aware of theory. I&#39;d like to spread some new thoughts of acceptance and tolerance to my current cohort. It should be simple.  Yet I find that my tech community is less tolerant of language changes than any other group I&#39;ve experienced. We could talk for hours about schema or gestalts or egos or stick-your-favorite-personality-theory-in-here and we&#39;d still get nowhere on the road to understanding the pure fear and insecurity that gets roiled up when these people spot &#8220;incorrect&#8221; English. For the love of PETE!</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#39;m not looking to explain away why we should move to a mass noun usage for &#8220;data.&#8221; I&#39;m trying to reach a community that needs to understand change in certain ways. I personally don&#39;t care all that much about why it&#39;s changing, just the fact that it is changing. I thought the sea metaphor might give my folks some basic understanding of the concept of mass noun and how &#8220;data&#8221; fits into it. </p>
<p>I probably should go back to posting about Facebook.</p>
<p>-Christine</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew </title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah, Not to nitpick, but as I said, I&#039;m not a prescriptivist when it comes to grammar.  The vast majority of linguists do not subscribe to a conventional notion  of &#039;correctness&#039; when it comes to grammar.  They&#039;re more interested in a descriptive approach that uses native judgments of correctness.  So, in fact it&#039;s typically a non-expert audience that is most receptive to rigid notions of correctness and most likely to fellow speakers for perceived errors.  My point about the metaphor isn&#039;t that it&#039;s annoying at all.  It&#039;s creative!  And whenever you examine these kinds of linguistic phenomena closely, you find that native speakers can often produce elaborate motivations for a particular usage.  (When they&#039;re widely shared, linguistic anthropologists refer to them as &#039;folk ideologies&#039;)  My point was a more prosaic one: In the moment, when someone tells you you&#039;ve just used &#039;data&#039; incorrectly, it&#039;s a bit unwieldy to uncoil the notion that we&#039;re all adrift in a sea of data.  Anyway, your advice to writers is good.  It&#039;s always better to avoid these little trouble spots entirely.  Fun stuff, and that&#039;s what I come here *for*. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah, Not to nitpick, but as I said, I&#39;m not a prescriptivist when it comes to grammar.  The vast majority of linguists do not subscribe to a conventional notion  of &#39;correctness&#39; when it comes to grammar.  They&#39;re more interested in a descriptive approach that uses native judgments of correctness.  So, in fact it&#39;s typically a non-expert audience that is most receptive to rigid notions of correctness and most likely to fellow speakers for perceived errors.  My point about the metaphor isn&#39;t that it&#39;s annoying at all.  It&#39;s creative!  And whenever you examine these kinds of linguistic phenomena closely, you find that native speakers can often produce elaborate motivations for a particular usage.  (When they&#39;re widely shared, linguistic anthropologists refer to them as &#39;folk ideologies&#39;)  My point was a more prosaic one: In the moment, when someone tells you you&#39;ve just used &#39;data&#39; incorrectly, it&#39;s a bit unwieldy to uncoil the notion that we&#39;re all adrift in a sea of data.  Anyway, your advice to writers is good.  It&#39;s always better to avoid these little trouble spots entirely.  Fun stuff, and that&#39;s what I come here *for*. <img src='http://www.purplecar.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: PurpleCar</title>
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		<dc:creator>PurpleCar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Punitive. LOL. Great word. And ain&#039;t that the truth. ;-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Metaphorical motivation wasn&#039;t my intent. My article is for a non-academic audience, specifically the Twitter grammar police who are not professional linguists in the least. Their knowledge of language is cursory at best. This is just an introduction to the issue for a general audience. I can understand how linguists would be annoyed at my use of metaphor to explain the concept of a mass noun.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree that it&#039;s best for all users to avoid subject/verb agreement phrasing with the words &quot;data&quot; and &quot;media.&quot; Stick &#039;em at the end of the sentence, I tell writers, or use &quot;bits of data&quot; or &quot;pieces of media.&quot; At this juncture, taking my political stance requires a bit of bravery in face of risk. I tend toward the populist nature, so naturally I&#039;d take this route myself, but I don&#039;t presume to require compliance from that &quot;general culture&quot; to which I refer. (&lt;--- I didn&#039;t end that phrase in a preposition for your sake.:-) )&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; Peace!&lt;br&gt;Christine Cavalier, PurpleCar&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.purplecar.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.purplecar.net/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;________________________________</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Punitive. LOL. Great word. And ain&#39;t that the truth. <img src='http://www.purplecar.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Metaphorical motivation wasn&#39;t my intent. My article is for a non-academic audience, specifically the Twitter grammar police who are not professional linguists in the least. Their knowledge of language is cursory at best. This is just an introduction to the issue for a general audience. I can understand how linguists would be annoyed at my use of metaphor to explain the concept of a mass noun.</p>
<p>I agree that it&#39;s best for all users to avoid subject/verb agreement phrasing with the words &#8220;data&#8221; and &#8220;media.&#8221; Stick &#39;em at the end of the sentence, I tell writers, or use &#8220;bits of data&#8221; or &#8220;pieces of media.&#8221; At this juncture, taking my political stance requires a bit of bravery in face of risk. I tend toward the populist nature, so naturally I&#39;d take this route myself, but I don&#39;t presume to require compliance from that &#8220;general culture&#8221; to which I refer. (&lt;&#8212; I didn&#39;t end that phrase in a preposition for your sake.:-) )</p>
<p> Peace!<br />Christine Cavalier, PurpleCar<br /><a href="http://www.purplecar.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.purplecar.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: PurpleCar</title>
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		<dc:creator>PurpleCar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, that&#039;s done. &lt;br&gt;Thanks for commenting, ALG.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This change with the verb usage is not &quot;helpful&quot; or &quot;unhelpful.&quot; It simply is an organic change reflecting the change in culture. You can hem and haw all you want, but this is not a change that I&#039;ll slow down or fight against in any way. Good luck to you if you&#039;d like to fight the good fight.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; Peace!&lt;br&gt;-PurpleCar&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.purplecar.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.purplecar.net/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;________________________________</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, that&#39;s done. <br />Thanks for commenting, ALG.</p>
<p>This change with the verb usage is not &#8220;helpful&#8221; or &#8220;unhelpful.&#8221; It simply is an organic change reflecting the change in culture. You can hem and haw all you want, but this is not a change that I&#39;ll slow down or fight against in any way. Good luck to you if you&#39;d like to fight the good fight.</p>
<p> Peace!<br />-PurpleCar<br /><a href="http://www.purplecar.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.purplecar.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: PurpleCar</title>
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		<dc:creator>PurpleCar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ack! I wrote this quite late last night, and I meant to write &quot;For a language geek.&quot;  Changing now. Thanks!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; Peace!&lt;br&gt;-PurpleCar&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.purplecar.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.purplecar.net/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;________________________________</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ack! I wrote this quite late last night, and I meant to write &#8220;For a language geek.&#8221;  Changing now. Thanks!</p>
<p> Peace!<br />-PurpleCar<br /><a href="http://www.purplecar.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.purplecar.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew </title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you allude to, with your memorable experience at Pittsburgh, the treatment of the numeracy of &quot;data&quot; and &quot;media&quot; exhibits a social distribution across genres of usage, or &#039;registers,&#039; as linguists sometimes call them.  The historically &#039;correct&#039; usage of both still has robust (even punitive) support in academic and other specialist registers, so, as long as that persists, any other usage in the &quot;general culture&quot; is susceptible to criticism.  And invoking your metaphorical motivation in defense of the more novel usage, while creative, is awkward, at best.  I don&#039;t go in much for prescriptivism of any sort; I&#039;m just pointing out that an authoritative value is attached to the &#039;correct&#039; use, and speakers ignore that asymmetry at their peril.  You never know who in your audience has a degree in Psychology. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you allude to, with your memorable experience at Pittsburgh, the treatment of the numeracy of &#8220;data&#8221; and &#8220;media&#8221; exhibits a social distribution across genres of usage, or &#39;registers,&#39; as linguists sometimes call them.  The historically &#39;correct&#39; usage of both still has robust (even punitive) support in academic and other specialist registers, so, as long as that persists, any other usage in the &#8220;general culture&#8221; is susceptible to criticism.  And invoking your metaphorical motivation in defense of the more novel usage, while creative, is awkward, at best.  I don&#39;t go in much for prescriptivism of any sort; I&#39;m just pointing out that an authoritative value is attached to the &#39;correct&#39; use, and speakers ignore that asymmetry at their peril.  You never know who in your audience has a degree in Psychology. <img src='http://www.purplecar.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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